Is anyone using Windchill to control SOLIDWORKS files?

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Is anyone using Windchill to control SOLIDWORKS files?

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First a little background.
  • We use SOLIDWORKS 2020 for our CAD files.
  • We have been using PDM for 7 years now.
  • We have about 830,000 files in the vault (all versions).
  • The vault size is about 1,357 GB (all versions).
  • We have about 100 SOLIDWORKS/PDM users worldwide.
  • We have more than just SOLIDWORKS CAD files in our PDM system.
  • We have about 11 different workflows to control everything from Production CAD files, to tooling CAD files, to Word documents for various things.
  • We recently merged with another company and are now part of this very large company. A large part of the other company we merged with uses Windchill and Creo. Our corporate management wants to implement Windchill version 11 to all of the business units.
  • Upper management thinks that bringing SOLIDWORKS files into Windchill will be no problem and all will be well.
  • This means that we will probably lose PDM. :( <()>
I want to compile a list of facts about any issues so that I can present these issues to upper management in hopes to change their minds.

I know that some of you are currently using Windchill to control the SOLIDWORKS files. I am wondering if any of you would be willing to share any issues that you have faced using these two different softwares.

Any help will be appreciated.
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Re: Is anyone using Windchill to control SOLIDWORKS files?

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The best I can give you is that 15 years ago we implemented Windchill in our system that was using pre-wildfire Pro-E and it worked well. But that was Pro-e and a Looong time ago.
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Re: Is anyone using Windchill to control SOLIDWORKS files?

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We sound very similar in size to your PDM installation. Over 800,000 files, 500+ users. 30 workflows....etc.

First issue, Windchill 11 doesn't support SolidWorks 2020 which is why we are stuck on SolidWorks 2019. They will need to upgrade to Windchill 12 first and it's a big task.

Due to data/product structure changes, we had to do a bit of rework of SolidWorks files to make them "Windchill" ready. Some of this could be automated with the API. We did them one at a time since we are globally "aligning".

Windchill is more rigid as a repository. Every document and CAD file will have to be assigned a unique number, PDM requires a unique filename but not a unique number so there is less flexibility there. This was issue for as for our project folder contain lots of Word and Excel files for things like meeting minutes and notes and other misc files which get easily lost in Windchill. Looks like we won't be storing those in Windchill, still no decision on where they will go yet.

Windchill handles CAD files with it's Workgroup Manager (WGM) Windows application. It's temperamental as hell and we are constantly deleting caches and dealing with corrupt installations, job security for sure. It's not as easy as PDM, you have to create a workspace and "add to workspace" CAD files you want to work on or even open. No simple "double click" to open an assembly in SolidWorks.

I could go one but if you have specific question I'll do my best to answer. Or we could take it offline if you prefer.
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We too are stuck with Windchill :?

General:
  • The interface is confusing
  • Help file is really not helping, i am better off figuring out something myself sometimes
  • Caching in WGM can be a mess sometimes (or is it everytime?)
  • Error sometimes is really hard to debug as the error message is literally useless sometimes
WGM with SOLIDWORKS
  • You will need to change authoring app everytime you want to switch a software version, and if someone forget, boom you will have uncompatible file
  • The type of SOLIDWORKS file supported is really limited..... Windchill support thing like drawing template but not sheet template. If you still insist of storing all your template (sheet format, custom property tab, bom, eetc) in Windchill and have user read from it, you will most probably need the DTI add-in (which is another can of worm)
  • If you plan to use PDM to control the bom, (eg: pushing those balloon number to PDM) you basically stuck with ONE bom configuration (less flexibility)
  • Sometimes there is really some weird bug (I not sure is it because of our config or just Windchill being Windchill), for eg: save as copy using SOLIDWORKS wont show in WGM until you open it manually from file explorer and save it again
  • Workaround, workaround... A lot of times thing involve workaround
In summary, user need to get a PROPER training in order to use it, are your company willing to pay for it?... PTC product is something confusing that you can never figure out yourself.


PS: Are you planning to use WTPart? That can also be a real messy stuff...
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This may be more detailed than what you are looking for.

I have worked at a couple of companies that used Windchill to control SolidWorks files. Windchill is a very cantankerous behemoth. Plan to delete workspaces and cache regularly. There is almost nothing intuitive about using Windchill. USERS WILL REQUIRE DETAILED TRAINING AND NEED CHEAT SHEETS TO REFER BACK TO.

Is Windchill being used to control the BOMs and release of everything, basically PLM? Does the company you merged with have written procedures for how to use Windchill? Try to look over them as soon as possible to start forming questions based on how they are using Windchill.

I worked at one company that had a bunch of independent design groups around the world. Several of those groups used ProE/Creo (I don't remember if this was before the name change). They pushed us to use Windchill assuring us that we were not the only group that would be doing this. That was probably in 2014 or so. We were the only group trying to use Windchill for our SolidWorks files. It was a big mess to get it figured out. The support for it was in a time zone 11.5 hours different from ours. The eventually sent someone to be on site for a couple of weeks until stuff got worked out. We had a lot of trouble with files not getting checked in and older versions of files writing over the latest files. it took a while to track down how that was happening. The company was not yet using WT parts. Agile was still being used for PLM. When I left the company, that design group was implementing SolidWorks EPDM.

It's been about two years, so my memory is not as good about this as it was. Another company I worked for had design groups around the world. They had been using Agile for PLM. SolidWorks files were stored on the network and zipped and attached in Agile. They were purchased by another company who brought in Windchill. Agile was phased out. They were not the first group to use SolidWorks and Windchill. They had a dedicated Windchill support person one time zone away who came on site for about a week to train users. There were also recorded training and PowerPoint materials that you could refer back to. Part numbers were sequential and assigned by Windchill. The SolidWorks files were then linked to the WT part. So, to release a part number, you would put the WT part, the SolidWorks drawing and SLDPRT/SLDASM on the affected items of the CN. The PDF of the drawing was an attachment of the WT part. For just a few variations of things, the affected items list would get really long. We had to do a lot of bringing files that were on the network into Windchill. This is the kind of task you want a very detail oriented person to do. I would make a spreadsheet from the top level SolidWorks BOM and then add columns to make sure I completed each task for each part. Bring in the SolidWorks parts, attach them (more a relation than the attachment like the PDF is) to the WT part, make sure they were being checked into the correct folder. Make sure any purchased parts were replaced with the model from Windchill if they already existed. Then they could be checked in. Windchill and SolidWorks can do some talking about write permissions but there were a lot of issues around that. Basically, we would add things to a workspace and they would be read only until you checked them out the first time. Once you had checked them out the first time, they would no longer be read only, so you could make changes to things you hadn't checked out. To help prevent that, we had set this setting:
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But, the annoying thing about that setting in SolidWorks, if you open an assembly the parts are opened read only - EVEN IF YOU HAVE THEM CHECKED OUT, so I had a macro that would select File, get write access.

To get the autolock, you have to update the Windchill wgmclient.ini. I think these are the settings I had to change. They are screenshots from a saved email.
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You have to make sure that your users know to check for out of date parts regularly. Here are some images of what the interface looked like for finding the out of date parts. The small clock image indicates a file needs to be updated.
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Here were some of the columns that I had set to show so I could tell if things were out of date.
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It is possible to make changes to an out of date part. They can't be checked in. Remind your users that it is faster the second time and to make sure to have the last file before making changes.
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Thank you everyone, keep it coming!
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Maybe I will add a little bit again as I am really frustrated with Windchill today...

The interface in Windchill is NOT AT ALL consistent...
You can rename non-checkin part in Workspace
You cant rename a checked-in part in Workspace, you will need to do it in commonspace
Clicking on Action button and Action menu will give u different result...
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